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Do Not Cling to Form—or Believe in Mind: The Diamond Sutra, Wonhyo, and Beopryun

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An Arahan Livestream Whose Content Is Decided by Questions

This was not a lecture in which I arrived with a fixed subject and spoke one way. The Arahan livestream follows viewers’ questions about Buddhism, society, economics, politics, or personal life. Because I scheduled the stream late, I waited about ten minutes and joked that if no one asked anything, I would begin questioning the viewers.

A lack of questions does not mean everyone knows everything. People do not join only because they are ignorant; they may return to speak with fellow practitioners and examine familiar ideas again. I invited viewers to bring in a lecture that felt strange, or something in my own recent videos with which they disagreed.

When one viewer said he agreed one hundred percent with a recent video, I asked how one hundred percent agreement could exist. We are not the same person. A questioning broadcast is not a place to receive support but to expose different experiences and judgments and inspect again what may be right.

No questions does not mean complete knowledge. Even familiar words become study when we ask and compare again.

The Previous Broadcast on Money and the Claim That “the Rich Are Garbage”

Before taking the new questions, I recalled the previous discussion of earning money and how we should live. Money and value are not necessarily the same, and an hour is not enough to understand the monetary economy and the kinds of people its structure makes rich.

I repeated the harsh phrase, “The rich are garbage.” This did not condemn a farmer for working harder to produce a little more and live comfortably. The issue is a system of money and ownership that concentrates wealth in people who capture others’ labor and opportunities, while society worships those rich people as models of success.

Poor people can be terrible too. Yet under the present structure, it is difficult to become enormously wealthy without harming others. “Everyone does it” is no excuse. Social study begins by questioning why the methods everyone takes for granted produce such destructive outcomes.

Three Questions: No Buddha in Form, Faith, and “When Mind Arises, Many Dharmas Arise”

Three subjects arrived at once. Dao asked about “No Buddha within form; no form within Buddha,” the Diamond Sutra verse “If one sees me through form or seeks me through sound,” and those who decorate their exterior. Im Seong-uk asked about faith, while K-Cheongpo-2 asked about the line attributed to Wonhyo, “When mind arises, many dharmas arise.”

I said I would answer briefly, but the discussion grew as I searched the Chinese phrases and compared translations. The questions were connected. Attachment to form, obedience to authority through faith, and turning mind and dharma into fixed realities all converge in the problem of images and concepts.

These viewers were not beginners, so I did not give only comfortable answers. A saying that looks profound can, with half a mistaken step, become attachment to emptiness, non-discrimination, mental omnipotence, and transcendence. I answered from the opposing direction to expose that risk.

A Buddhist phrase that sounds good can still create a new image and desire for transcendence when read half a step wrongly.

The Literal Words “There Is No Buddha in Form” Do Not Create a Complete Meaning

Taken character by character, the phrase says that there is no Buddha in form and no form in Buddha. Search results expanded it into the claim that attachment to a particular image prevents us from seeing the true Buddha and that no fixed form exists in the world of Buddha. It initially sounds admirable.

Yet the source contains neither the verb “see” nor the phrase “the essential world of Buddha.” The translator has filled the spaces among compressed characters with a subject, verb, relation, and worldview. Once “an empty and free state” is added, readers begin searching for a special state rather than observing their lives.

Freedom from concepts points in a useful direction. But the project of becoming one hundred percent free from every concept creates another dream. If translation fills missing relations with transcendence and essence, a sentence meant to criticize images manufactures an even larger image.

Classical Chinese Erases Linguistic Relations and Invites the Interpreter’s Dream

I used the phrase to identify a basic translation problem. A phonetic writing system preserves much of a spoken sentence’s order, grammar, subject, and predicate. Chinese characters compressed around meaning can leave only a few semantic markers while deleting many relations among them.

Thus ten translators can produce ten sentences from the same short expression. It can become “There is no Buddha inside form,” “Buddha cannot be seen through form,” or “Buddha’s essence has no form.” None is a complete translation mechanically contained in the characters.

The larger the gaps, the more interpreters insert their own philosophy and then present the paraphrase as mysterious original meaning. It can become authority: “Your discrimination cannot know Buddha; simply know beyond understanding.” Compression should not be mistaken for depth.

Different ways of filling the relations missing from a few Chinese characters can produce entirely different Buddhisms.

The Heart Sutra’s Five Aggregates and “Form Is Emptiness” Carry the Same Translation Problem

The line beginning “Avalokitesvara, practicing profound prajnaparamita, saw the five aggregates as empty and crossed beyond all suffering” presents the same issue. Depending on how isolated terms are connected, radically different explanations appear. “All five aggregates are empty” easily becomes a transcendent state, while “form is emptiness and emptiness is form” becomes wordplay.

I recalled my father trying until death to understand that formula. The Chinese construction itself encouraged empty philosophy: one repeats that form is emptiness and emptiness is form without learning what to observe.

The point should be that everything arises through relations and conditions and that form, feeling, perception, formation, and consciousness do not stand as independent fixed entities. When translation fails to show those relations, readers imagine emptiness as a separate thing, a special mind, or a state of no-self. A translation failure reverses the direction of practice.

My Reading Is: “One Cannot Become a Buddha While Trapped in Images”

Assuming the line was intended well, I offered an interpretation better than the original wording may deserve: “One cannot become a Buddha while trapped in images; a Buddha is not trapped or bound by images.” It is not a literal transfer of characters but my reconstruction of relations in the direction of Buddhism.

I did not conceal the possibility of other translations. My interpretation is not automatically the author’s sole intention. Yet it is more consistent with dependent origination and liberation than a version that makes readers imagine an essential formless realm. It asks me to see how I am bound by appearance, name, and concept now.

Deep understanding of Buddhism returns to everyday language rather than accumulating difficult Chinese terms. We can simply say: do not be bound by images, do not cling to forms, step out of concepts. Language should allow anyone to check experience rather than manufacture authority.

One cannot become a Buddha while trapped in images, and a Buddha is not bound by images.

Do Not Become Bound by the Image of “Being Bound by No Image”

Hearing that one should escape images, some pursue a state completely free from every image. That is another mistake. The goal of an empty state, absolute non-discrimination, a no-self state, or total absence of ego binds the practitioner to an image of imagelessness.

The dream of transcending life and death, never fearing anything, and remaining unmoved under every pain is the same. It is natural for an organism to fear death. Understanding death without adding unnecessary terror is entirely different from trying to become a divine human who sits still while burning.

Liberation is not departure from humanity. It is understanding that I am a frog in a well, bound by images, and incapable of possessing one hundred percent truth. When perfection and transcendence are abandoned, present attachment becomes visible. The desire to become a god should not be renamed Buddhist practice.

The Diamond Sutra Verse Warns against Manufacturing Buddha through Form and Voice

The second phrase was the Diamond Sutra verse: “If one sees me through form or seeks me through sound, that person follows a mistaken path and cannot see the Tathagata.”

I too once carried a mental picture of Buddha without knowing what Buddha was. Sutras, statues, religious films, and images of monks suggested a person who is silent, expressionless, never angry, sad, or laughing. An arahan is likewise imagined as someone permanently sitting in serenity.

When people see me laugh loudly, become angry, cry, and change expression, they ask how I could be an arahan. I ask what their arahan and Buddha are. Unless that picture breaks, they cannot hear a Buddha-like statement even when it appears; they will instead follow a fraud who has perfected the external performance.

Break the Buddha assembled from appearance, voice, expression, and clothing so that actual speech and action can be seen.

One Who Decorates the Exterior Is a Hypocrite Bound by Form

Dao also asked about the old expression for someone who decorates the exterior. It does not refer to eating out. It means making the outside appear different from the inside and caring more about how one is seen than what one actually is.

Some people harden their faces and refuse to laugh in order to look like practitioners beyond ordinary emotion. A face may naturally grow still during deep concentration, but maintaining that expression as proof of awakening is itself an image.

Frauds are especially skilled at presenting themselves as extraordinary. A shaved head, robes, ten years seated in a temple, a gentle voice, and a frozen expression prove nothing. The more carefully someone cultivates spiritual appearance, the more rigorously we should examine actual speech, conduct, power, and money.

Shaving the Head Does Not Awaken Anyone, and Beopryun Must Be Judged by His Words

When Beopryun’s statement that shaving one’s head does not produce awakening came up, I asked how many awakened people were visible among the shaved. Robes and shaving signify a chosen life, not guaranteed wisdom.

I had not met Beopryun for a deep conversation, so I did not define his entire person. I said only that his public words contain elements I respect more than those of many monks. A human being cannot be one hundred percent perfect, and a statement worthy of criticism does not erase every valuable statement.

A viewer then proposed watching Beopryun’s 2001 lecture “Are We All Really Buddhas?” I had just answered no to the same question, so we decided to hear his answer directly and compare it.

Judge a practitioner by what he says and how he lives, not by robes and a shaved head.

All Faith Is Superstition

While finding the Beopryun video, I answered the question about faith. More than half of my videos over several years have said: break your belief; what you and I believed may be wrong. Condensed to one sentence, all faith is superstition.

The moment someone says Buddhist practice must begin with faith, Buddhism becomes a religion that demands belief. When I use “religious” negatively, I mean superstitious. If a teacher or scripture demands obedience before verification, Buddhism and Christianity develop the same defect.

To understand Jesus and attempt to live as he taught, one must release belief first. The same is true of Buddha. Belief ends questioning, and when questioning ends, understanding becomes impossible. Observe whether something is actually so rather than accepting it because Buddha or an awakened teacher allegedly said it.

“We Are All Buddhas” Confuses Present Reality with Possibility

I refused the phrase that everyone is already a Buddha. Otherwise, a person who murders, destroys a family through gambling and alcohol, and cannot even see the problem must be called Buddha. If dogs and plankton are all Buddhas, the word ceases to distinguish anything.

The possibility of waking is different from living as a Buddha now. A seed may be capable of becoming a tree, but it is not presently a tree. We say “Let us attain Buddhahood” precisely because a person hardened in delusion must recognize and escape it.

A Buddha is not a god with a completely empty head. At minimum, one sees what one is bound by, recognizes one’s speech, and can reflect and revise when challenged. A person full of authority who declares his words to be the way and truth and demands faith cannot be called a Buddha.

The possibility of becoming a Buddha and the present reality of living like a Buddha are not the same.

Beopryun’s Opening Was Ambiguous, but His Addiction Analogy Was Precise

The younger Beopryun began by saying one could know without long practice. I thought the opening became ambiguous because it tried to preserve the premise that all are Buddhas. Saying that little study reveals everyone as Buddha conflicts with the later description of people living with their minds lost.

The lecture found its core when it turned to alcohol, tobacco, and drug addiction. Addicted people repeat conduct that harms themselves and their families even when they know the damage. Practice is not special clothing or food but recognizing, in the moment, that habit and attachment have pulled me again.

I strongly praised the line, “Ah, I became attached again; habit dragged me again.” This is Buddhism. Liberation is not never falling but knowing that one has fallen, developing the taste of returning, and turning the mind back.

Liberation Is Returning after a Fall, Not Perfect Control

Beopryun compared practice to building a large boat that rides waves rather than searching for a sea with no waves. Anger or desire does not mean the whole practice has failed. If the boat does not overturn and can recover direction, movement can even add flavor to life.

I repeatedly called this excellent. Human life is not one hundred percent. Perfectionism—the demand never to drink or eat meat, never to become angry, and always to display serenity—is itself un-Buddhist. Fixing nirvana as a perfect state enlarges attachment to that state.

I disagreed only when he explained this through a contrast between Mahayana and Hinayana. Mahayana also deified Buddhas and bodhisattvas, while traditions labeled Hinayana cannot be reduced to a ban on every moment of anger. The valuable insight does not require a hierarchy of traditions.

Liberation is not never falling; it is seeing the fall and rising again.

Discomfort and Loss Can Become New Paths under New Conditions

The lecture continued into bodily discomfort and loss. People lived before cars and paved roads. When legs become impaired, people build wheelchairs and ramps, and discomfort can generate new technology and institutions. A changed condition does not end all life.

When a spouse dies, shared life ends but a new solitary life begins. This does not deny grief. It refuses only the thought that one can no longer live at all. Under altered conditions, new forms of life remain possible.

I judged the lecture broad but grounded in a core understanding of Buddhism. My own style pursues the principle more relentlessly, yet I respected its direction of returning and living again.

In “Many Dharmas Arise,” Dharma Means Names and Concepts, Not the Universe

The third question concerned Wonhyo’s verse, “When mind arises, many dharmas arise.” A search result explained that all understanding and worldly value arise from mental discrimination. I first warned that a sentence does not become correct merely because it is attributed to Wonhyo.

A useful reading requires clarity about dharma. Here it is not the whole universe created by mind. It is closer to names, images, concepts, and discriminations attached to experience—the name side of name-and-form. Once people create words such as gods, supernatural powers, supreme dharma, and unsurpassed awakening, they assume corresponding realities exist.

A constructive paraphrase is therefore: “As thought arises, many discriminations arise with it.” Duties and prohibitions, good and bad, self and other appear with thought. Buddhist dharma is not a law that hardens these concepts but a direction that breaks them.

Read constructively, the verse means that thought gives rise to many discriminations.

Do Not Turn Heart, Mind, Citta, and Manas into One Fixed Substance

The word mind itself easily becomes a substance through translation. Korean maeum, English mind, Chinese xin, and Indian citta and manas overlap but carry different associations in their languages and contexts. Translation by one word does not make them an identical object.

One can become lost by following ancient words or invent a single entity at will. Mind is not an independent object stored somewhere in the body. Depending on context, it must be examined as thought, feeling, intention, or awareness.

I therefore simplified the line: “Discrimination follows thought.” When thought pauses, the discrimination attached to it can pause. The observation should not be expanded into a transcendent subject or source of the universe.

When “Mind-Only Creation” Becomes Mental Omnipotence, Buddhism Turns Metaphysical

I fiercely criticized reading the verse and Huayan’s “everything is created by mind” as saying that mind produces all things. If right thinking can stop rain, change the world, and make matter a mental phenomenon, human mind has been placed in the position of God.

The claim that the world is illusion and everything follows mind readily produces supernatural power and transcendence. Wordplay about form and emptiness becomes a philosophy in which total non-discrimination grants extraordinary power. It speaks of dependent origination while leaving mind as the one unconditioned exception.

At most, a charitable reading says that thought conditions how the same experience is judged. The assertion that the entire world is a product of my mind is neither observable nor dependent origination. It drags Buddhism back into metaphysics and superstition.

Mind does not manufacture everything; mind is itself one phenomenon made by many conditions.

Mind Is One Fragment of Dependent Origination Produced by Body, Language, and Environment

The relation runs the other way. The world is not a phenomenon inside my mind; my mind and thought are phenomena within the dependently arisen world. Body from parents, food, air, temperature, memory, language, society, education, and immediate physiology together condition the present mind.

Buddhism does not eliminate mind. It understands how mind works and which conditions produced a thought or emotion. Observation cannot erase the body and world outside mind. I too am a conditioned organism that came from earth and returns to earth.

Accepting this ends the demand for a perfect mind and enables self-observation. The emptiness of the five aggregates means that form, feeling, perception, formation, and consciousness do not exist independently. To then claim that mind creates everything destroys the dependent origination just stated.

Why I Condemn Kim Tae-wan’s Transcendent Non-Discrimination

The observation that thought produces discrimination is easily distorted into a demand for complete non-discrimination. I repeatedly named Kim Tae-wan of Musim Seonwon while condemning this view. The moment a teacher claims to abide in final nirvana and demands that others believe and follow him, he becomes another authority and image.

Teachings called Zen may actually be absorbed in Hinduism, yoga, Yogacara, or Rajneesh-style transcendence without understanding their sources. Seeking a special one-mind or pure consciousness and eliminating every distinction moves opposite to understanding a dependently arisen human being.

I explained that my harsh repetition of the name was not personal entertainment. Many people spend years on such teaching, absolutize an experience, and lose the capacity to hear criticism. I said listening to the Beopryun lecture we had just watched would be a hundred times better.

When someone claims complete non-discrimination and demands faith, practice becomes another authority and image.

Without Dependent Origination, Impermanence, and No-Self, No Buddhism Remains

I answered mostly from the negative side because the questioners already knew the basics. A beginner may first hear that attitude changes experience. But half a step farther, mind becomes creator of the universe and emptiness or no-self becomes a transcendent state.

The criterion is dependent origination, impermanence, and no-self. If we do not see the world in relations and conditions, see that nothing is fixed, and include self and mind among non-independent phenomena, only the name Buddhism remains. Famous verses and words attributed to Wonhyo must be examined by the same measure.

As the broadcast approached its close, I asked viewers to doubt everything I had said. I can be mistaken, ignorant, or careless. If something catches in the mind, identify it and bring it back as the next question. A teaching that prevents rebuttal is not Buddhism.

Political Participation Is Not Separate from Buddhism

Just before ending, I spoke about the local election. I did not claim to like the blue party one hundred percent and said I would criticize its wrongdoing. But I was clear that citizens should not again vote for the party that followed and defended martial law and insurrection.

Some may dislike political speech from someone who calls himself an arahan. Yet politics conditions citizens’ lives too deeply for Buddhism to ignore. Judging a force that supported state violence and a coup is not a worldly distraction from mind; it is seeing present suffering and conditions.

Criticizing one party does not mean believing another. One can demand dissolution of the insurrection force while criticizing bad Democratic candidates and nominations. The habit of trusting no one completely and judging acts issue by issue is the same in religion and politics.

Ching Hai’s Absolute Vegan Rule Is Contrary to Dependent Origination

At the end, a viewer asked about Vietnamese spiritual leader Ching Hai. I first admitted that I did not know and searched. The results described a Quan Yin method mixing Mahayana Buddhism, Christianity, and Hinduism, claims of being Shakyamuni and Jesus in past lives, and an emphasis on peace, compassion, and strict veganism.

Because I did not know the detailed doctrine, I postponed a full criticism. But I said that imposing strict veganism as an absolute rule is already contrary to dependent origination. Under conditions where plants do not grow, survival may require fish or deer. Life varies with region, climate, health, and necessity.

Choosing a plant-based diet to reduce suffering differs from making it required proof of awakening and degrading those who cannot follow it. An absolute rule that ignores conditions is another image, not compassion. A claim to be a past saint becomes superstition when it demands belief.

A plant-based diet can be a practice, but an absolute rule imposed on every condition abandons dependent origination.

The Dalai Lama’s Rebirth Claim Must Also Be Called Superstition

It is inconsistent to call Ching Hai’s past-life claim a cult while respecting the Dalai Lama’s claim to be a reincarnation of the previous Dalai Lama. Failure to criticize superstition in famous leaders and established orders prepares the ground for identical claims in new religions.

Whether the speaker is the Dalai Lama, Beopryun, or a Buddhist YouTuber, past lives, rebirth, miraculous relics, supernatural power, and blessings should be called superstition when sold as fact. Christianity demanding belief in resurrection and Buddhism demanding belief in heavenly descent and repeated past lives share the same structure of faith.

Established religions cannot sell superstition and then point only at new religions as cults. They produce the soil in which cults grow. When authority locks our mouths against calling nonsense by its name, faith and obedience reproduce themselves.

Trust Neither Scripture nor Teacher nor Me; Observe What Actually Happens

The three questions ultimately became one. Do not seek Buddha in form, trust a spiritual exterior and voice, or establish mind as the substance that creates the universe. Images, names, dharmas, and mind are conditional tools for understanding reality, not essences to worship.

In Beopryun’s lecture I criticized the ambiguous premise while praising the account of returning from attachment. I examined statements rather than believing or rejecting the entire person. My criticism of Kim Tae-wan, Ching Hai, and the Dalai Lama likewise used the content of claims and their relation to observation and dependent origination rather than the size of the name.

Believe nothing. This does not mean listen to nothing. Listen more, compare with actual experience and consequences, and doubt your own thought together with the teacher’s. I too can be wrong. Bringing what troubles you back as the next question is the path toward Buddhahood.

Do not believe; question. Observe and compare whether scripture, teacher, and my words are actually so.

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